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if he didn't know he presided over an nsa that was unaccountable. if i had to bet i'd put my money on he didn't know all along. if he did, it would be too impractical to tell him. >> i take the president his word about this, just given the scope of how much information was getting vacuumed up. >> that's some high-level information, though, isn't it? this is different than metadata, to peter's point of this is tapping angela merkel's cell phone. >> if the president did not know that we were vacuuming up calls and information from our closest allies, then the thing really, really, has spun completely out of control. >> ezra, the third point there, okay, so maybe the president is mad. maybe the american public is mad. the jury is still out on that. the third question is are the leaders themselves actually mad? i think it's different with the germans, you have brazilians who canceled state visit, mexicans calling for ambassadorial meetings, the spanish also in inquiring and the french who were indignant and outraged. >> they are always the best. >> i do
if he didn't know he presided over an nsa that was unaccountable. if i had to bet i'd put my money on he didn't know all along. if he did, it would be too impractical to tell him. >> i take the president his word about this, just given the scope of how much information was getting vacuumed up. >> that's some high-level information, though, isn't it? this is different than metadata, to peter's point of this is tapping angela merkel's cell phone. >> if the president did not know...
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so, look, here's the cia, i mean the nsa chief saying these things, the nsa spying on diplomats at the request of ambassadors. what do you say about that? rick? >> i have to agree. there are a lot of am pabassado around the world that really want to know what's happening from the other side the aisle so to speak. so there's a lot of requests that go back to agency personnel. the sip pell fact is the agency personnel is only responding to the policymakers. the politicians and others feel the pressure from those in the field who want the intelligence and they're the ones who are responding. they don't make the rules. if you want to change the rules, lobby congress or get congress, the congressional oversight committees, to be aggressive. >> the challenge came from james caru rosepep, a former u.s. ambassador to romania during the clinton administration, and he now a democratic state senator in maryland. during this exchange between the two, with general alexander, he was pressing the nsa chief to give a, quote, national security justification for the agency's surveillance for combating t
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they were closely with the nsa that about one third of those documents are nsa documents. the guardian shared those 50,000 documents with us that "the new york times" and some of us have spent the last couple of months going through them. >> and talk about what most shock you by the documents you have gotten better from the national security agency. we have gone through some of the points. you begin with ban ki-moon last april. why don't you start there. >> i used to be with "the baltimoresun" and i wrote back in 1985 and can say i was not shocked about any of this, but i think perhaps one of the most interesting questions these documents raise is i refer to the agency as an omnivore. they're under pressure from policymakers, from the white house, see -- cia, dod to the state department to sort of the prepared to supply information on almost anything. inrisis breaks out tomorrow an unexpected place, and nsa is under heavy pressure to produce intelligence from that place. and that combined with a big- budget in secrecy has, i think, created what actually secretary of state
they were closely with the nsa that about one third of those documents are nsa documents. the guardian shared those 50,000 documents with us that "the new york times" and some of us have spent the last couple of months going through them. >> and talk about what most shock you by the documents you have gotten better from the national security agency. we have gone through some of the points. you begin with ban ki-moon last april. why don't you start there. >> i used to be...
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we can't assume that everything will with the nsa as a comparable agency. there was an article in "the new york times" i guess on the 28th -- i won't quote from it or do you want to quote from it? >> this is an article by james ricin and laura at september 20. the agency can augment the come indications. >> that's the nsa. >> data with material from public commercial and other sources including bank codes insurance information facebook profiles passenger manifests voter registration rolls and gps location information as well as property records and unless testified tax data according to the documents. they do not indicate any restrictions on the use of such quote enrichment data in several former senior obama administration officials said the agency drew on it from both americans and foreigners. >> with that description we can assume that every bit of data out there, every purchase, every meal, every phonecall, every e-mail and because of the ability of supercomputers to digest this material is available. one would have to be extremely naÏve to think this
we can't assume that everything will with the nsa as a comparable agency. there was an article in "the new york times" i guess on the 28th -- i won't quote from it or do you want to quote from it? >> this is an article by james ricin and laura at september 20. the agency can augment the come indications. >> that's the nsa. >> data with material from public commercial and other sources including bank codes insurance information facebook profiles passenger manifests...
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nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of america i will and others. >> chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. thanks. congressman adam schiff of california sits on the house intelligence committee and stepped out of today's meeting to speak to us live from capitol hill. thanks for joining us. quickly, james clapper was also asked if our allies are guilty of the same sort of thing. here is what he said. >> do you believe that the allies have conducted or at any time, any type of espionage activity against the united states of america, intelligence se
nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of...
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>>> new fallout from the nsa scandal. the united states disregarding leaker edward snowden's bid for clemency. his request coming days after a group of lawmakers introduced legislation to rein in the nsa's phone surveillance practices. joining us to talk about it, frederick white, former c.i.a. senior analyst and chief analyst for lignat.com. good to see you. a great many people hail ed snowden as a hero. there is no question he looks in the mirror and sees one. what do you see? >> i see a traitor, gregg. this is a man who has undermined the support of the american people for some programs that have kept us safe from terrorism. but more importantly, putting aside the controversy over the nsa collection issue, this man has leaked very sensitive u.s. collection capabilities to america's enemy, russia, china, cuba, north korea. it's laughable he thinks he should get clemency. >> lawmakers trying to rein in. so nsa surveillance program, the techniques being used. look, spying is the second oldest profession. i think we know w
>>> new fallout from the nsa scandal. the united states disregarding leaker edward snowden's bid for clemency. his request coming days after a group of lawmakers introduced legislation to rein in the nsa's phone surveillance practices. joining us to talk about it, frederick white, former c.i.a. senior analyst and chief analyst for lignat.com. good to see you. a great many people hail ed snowden as a hero. there is no question he looks in the mirror and sees one. what do you see?...
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nsa has actually said that. >> so nsa is saying we're responding too much? because i don't remember that statement. >> the information is so ov overencompassing that they can't go through in the way that they have to. so something about the muscular promise that is in place has to be -- >> i don't know. we should google the word hypocrite here. the fact of the matter is you know this stuff is going on. and you know whether it's private or public, it's going on. and then when it creates a dust up, you say this. >> that's the problem. i think he's trying to step away. they know what's going on as a company. >> do you think the government comes in whether or not it has a court order and says we want to spy on this group and all of you, who will fight it? >> i think they're getting court orders and we'll see if the petition google has filed -- >> if you ignore a court order, what happens to you? >> there are a number of things. >> can you go to another judge is what i'm saying. >> under the fisa court, it's a completely different program. all of this information
nsa has actually said that. >> so nsa is saying we're responding too much? because i don't remember that statement. >> the information is so ov overencompassing that they can't go through in the way that they have to. so something about the muscular promise that is in place has to be -- >> i don't know. we should google the word hypocrite here. the fact of the matter is you know this stuff is going on. and you know whether it's private or public, it's going on. and then when...
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i want to focus on this nsa spying issue. the president is saying he did not know that spying of our allied leaders was taking place. which is worse. the nsa is operating without his approval or he did know and lying. >> i'll go with number one. it's a plausible deniability. our spies want to gather this information, we want them to do it but you got to isolate the president a little bit from some of the specific methods that is used to gather. so he can then later say hey i didn't know about that. >> now we're now hearing the president may stop any kind of spying against leaders of our allies. we know spying takes place. what kind of effect could this have? >> first of all be suspicious of any blanket saying we'll never do it again. because you know they want to do it again. you got to be very careful the tense is here is right. jay carney's announcement we don't do it now, we didn't do it before. english teachers across america are smiling at that lesson. they never said we will never do it again or never did it in the past
i want to focus on this nsa spying issue. the president is saying he did not know that spying of our allied leaders was taking place. which is worse. the nsa is operating without his approval or he did know and lying. >> i'll go with number one. it's a plausible deniability. our spies want to gather this information, we want them to do it but you got to isolate the president a little bit from some of the specific methods that is used to gather. so he can then later say hey i didn't know...
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they're expressing outrage at reports the nsa has been eavesdropping on as many as 35 world leaders. >> think we have repair work to do, hard questions need to ask of the nsa about what's happening in this program. >> reporter: visit comes on the heels of a new revelation from a german newspaper which says the nsa listened in on german chancellor angela merk,l's phone calls and that chief keith alexander briefed the president on the spying in 2010. the obama administration denies it, saying news reports claiming otherwise are not true, but members of congress are skeptical. >> the nsa works for the president. so it's a question of, did the president want to hear what chancellor merkel was saying. he knew or should have noun. >> reporter: others say the white house has to answer. >> i think the president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. has saved thousands of lives, not only in the united states, france, germany throughout europe. >> reporter: the wall street reports -- a white house review uncovered the operation this summer. cbs news washington. >> and more damaging in
they're expressing outrage at reports the nsa has been eavesdropping on as many as 35 world leaders. >> think we have repair work to do, hard questions need to ask of the nsa about what's happening in this program. >> reporter: visit comes on the heels of a new revelation from a german newspaper which says the nsa listened in on german chancellor angela merk,l's phone calls and that chief keith alexander briefed the president on the spying in 2010. the obama administration denies...
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the nsa has a 1.4 billion utah data storage facility that keeps burning up due to electrical surges. ten meltdowns in the first 13 months. >> there are big website problems with obama care. i think what is refreshing right now is crickets of this obama care are starting to look at how do we fix it? how to fund this thing, we can't accept it as the new law. and we should remember that as this program was rolled out in massachusetts in 2006, it took roughly three years before major problems with the system began to get fixed. so, i think insurance companies involved with this and analysts i talked with will tell you the insurance companies want to wait until they are not going to rush to judgment in the first three weeks based on whether or not there were web glitches. >> 36 states are affected by this. what do you think? >> call it what you will. whatever you think about the whole concept and idea of obama care, the execution has been disastrous. this undermined a lot of confidence in the program, undermined confidence in the program. jeff happens to be an extraordinarily talented per
the nsa has a 1.4 billion utah data storage facility that keeps burning up due to electrical surges. ten meltdowns in the first 13 months. >> there are big website problems with obama care. i think what is refreshing right now is crickets of this obama care are starting to look at how do we fix it? how to fund this thing, we can't accept it as the new law. and we should remember that as this program was rolled out in massachusetts in 2006, it took roughly three years before major problems...
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that while new complaints allege the nsa tapped private citizens. nbc's tracie potts is in washington for us. tracie, good morning to you. here's a hearing on capitol hill today. what might we learn? >> reporter: well, the hearing is going to solve some of the top administration officials on intelligence. the director of national intelligence, james clapper, the head of the nsa, the national security agency, general keith alexander and others who lawmakers want to ask, how extensive are these surveillance programs? why are they necessary? and particularly as we've learned of late, why are we tapping cell phones and other conversations of our allies, of world leaders like angela merkel, the german chancellor. the germans are really upset about this. they're calling for an investigation. even some democrats are saying it's over the top to tap cell phones of our allies like senator dianne feinstein. her senate intelligence committee may also be looking into this. in a statement, she said "with respect to nsa collection of intelligence on leaders of u.s
that while new complaints allege the nsa tapped private citizens. nbc's tracie potts is in washington for us. tracie, good morning to you. here's a hearing on capitol hill today. what might we learn? >> reporter: well, the hearing is going to solve some of the top administration officials on intelligence. the director of national intelligence, james clapper, the head of the nsa, the national security agency, general keith alexander and others who lawmakers want to ask, how extensive are...
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the nsa says they weren't spying, but i want to know from the nsa or the president, did you collect any data on the pope's phone or when he was an archbishop? were you collecting data on his phone? it's a very specific question. >> okay. >> and to my mind, they've been dishonest in their representations in the past. >> it was short, senator. thank you. we'll see if you can get your answer. rand paul from the hill. thank you, sir. alisyn. >>> all right, we have a special halloween treat you have to see, next. ♪ >>> very scary. thousands of zombies swarming the tokyo tower, one of japan's most famous sumo wrestlers leading the group of undead to mark the beginning of japan's fourth season of the walking dead. >> uh huh. so, our folks are doing that, huh? >> yeah, oh, yeah. >> what are you dressing up as tonight? >> a flapper. how about you? >> nice. >> what are you doing? >> i might be mad as a hatter. >> wow! that's going to be great. can't wait to see the pictures. >> happy halloween, everybody. >> "the real story" starts now. >>> i've got to see that, too. anyway, fox news alert, eve
the nsa says they weren't spying, but i want to know from the nsa or the president, did you collect any data on the pope's phone or when he was an archbishop? were you collecting data on his phone? it's a very specific question. >> okay. >> and to my mind, they've been dishonest in their representations in the past. >> it was short, senator. thank you. we'll see if you can get your answer. rand paul from the hill. thank you, sir. alisyn. >>> all right, we have a...
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and certainly they are left to deny and suprt the nsa themselves. they and clapper, the director of national intelligence, that is who is defending this major function that protects the united states and believe me, we would not have had no serious attack on the united states in all of these years, these 12 years since 9/11, without this agency doing just incredible work, lou, in protecting us. and yet they stand there having to take all these fuselage of assaults on them by themselves with the director trying to protect them. and it's just not right. the administration should put their arms around this, tell them to go back to work and we'll take care of this. but that's not happening. >> general, thanks for being with us. general jack keane. >> always good talking to you, lou. >>> up next, he was endorsed by tea party favorite senator rand pull, but will it be enough to overcome the political money machine? virginia's attorney general and gubernatorial candidate ken cuccinelli joins me here next. we're coming right back. >>> a week until the virgi
and certainly they are left to deny and suprt the nsa themselves. they and clapper, the director of national intelligence, that is who is defending this major function that protects the united states and believe me, we would not have had no serious attack on the united states in all of these years, these 12 years since 9/11, without this agency doing just incredible work, lou, in protecting us. and yet they stand there having to take all these fuselage of assaults on them by themselves with the...
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thousands of people gathered to rally against nsa surveillance. it comes amidst new reports that the nsa has been monitoring communications of 35 leaders. she is one of our closest allies so needles to say she was not happy about this. she called president obama to give him an earful and it takes a lot ogto get those ears full. if the nsa agents are like most men they are probably only pretending to listen to what she was saying anyway. the nsa has been wiretapping years but obama didn't know about it until this summer when he ordered them to stop. here in the united states they claim that the spying programs do more good than harm and that their primary objective is to protect us and they make a pretty purr swersuasive case. >> fbi, do not eat that pie. >> we have reason to believe that the condensed milk used in that pie is expired. >> yep. it expireded. >> how did you know? >> we live in your pantry. >> why? >> also you're out of berry burst cheerio. >> don't answer that. say it again? copy that? it's your step sister. >> isn't this an invasion
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the nation's top nsa officials went before congress today. without copping to specifics, director of national intelligence said in so many words yeah of course we spy on our allies. they spy on us. it's been going on for decades. is it naive to expect less? is this what countries do to each other? >> i think on some level you should expect that, right? how you're supposed to take your allies' words they're always going to be allies? that's just natural. the big issue it's a p.r. disaster on top of the p.r. disaster. now an international p.r. disaster? it's coming precisely at the wrong time for the administration. but i think it's a normal thing. >> i don't think it's just a p.r. disaster, charles. i think it's this nsa system set up under bush and cheney which obama has refused to stare down. i think it's a juggernaut that's out of control. it hoovering up so much information, untram meld powers and taken this kind of surveillance to a whole new comprehensive level that picks up all the stuff. >> the fundamental principle has not changed if
the nation's top nsa officials went before congress today. without copping to specifics, director of national intelligence said in so many words yeah of course we spy on our allies. they spy on us. it's been going on for decades. is it naive to expect less? is this what countries do to each other? >> i think on some level you should expect that, right? how you're supposed to take your allies' words they're always going to be allies? that's just natural. the big issue it's a p.r. disaster...
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the nsa program keeps them for five years. the likelihood would be that much of the information was simply not be there. there would be nothing to connect. >> add something. >> sure. >> it is my understanding -- and i am not an sec lawyer by any means, but it relates to total billing records and it is not at all clear to me -- that does not include local calls and the providers move to an environment where none of it is billed. >> thank you. you just answered my next question. that is good. related sleep, we have heard talk about competition downward in terms of retention requirements. providers for commercially competitive reasons would decrease their own record retention. have you seen any evidence of that actually happening? >> i cannot speak to that particular. in order to run a program the data has to be provided were kept in a way that allows it to be integrated. in addition to the availability of the records, they have to be available in a way that would allow for the sort of analysis. >> can any of you speak to whether
the nsa program keeps them for five years. the likelihood would be that much of the information was simply not be there. there would be nothing to connect. >> add something. >> sure. >> it is my understanding -- and i am not an sec lawyer by any means, but it relates to total billing records and it is not at all clear to me -- that does not include local calls and the providers move to an environment where none of it is billed. >> thank you. you just answered my next...
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i guarantee google knows more about me than the nsa does. >> your point is nsa is not on a fishing expedition with this gathering of data. they have a warrant. about what about that rohit? >> well, these are allegations, so, you know not sure what's true or not true. if what is being said is true -- >> yeah assuming that it is. they have a warrant. they have a specific reason and specific information they're looking for. >> well there's a difference between a warrant and going to a court and asking for a particular piece of information and tapping into a company's internal network. if you're tapping into a company's internal network, you're privy to all the data being moved inside of that company. that's a lot of data. there might be things there that extend above and beyond the kinds of data they're looking for. you know working in the information security community we often tell people to lock down their internal networks. make sure you treat them as untresed. that rarely happens. so, if someone were able to steal the data that was being trans transmitted, they'd have access to a lot of inf
i guarantee google knows more about me than the nsa does. >> your point is nsa is not on a fishing expedition with this gathering of data. they have a warrant. about what about that rohit? >> well, these are allegations, so, you know not sure what's true or not true. if what is being said is true -- >> yeah assuming that it is. they have a warrant. they have a specific reason and specific information they're looking for. >> well there's a difference between a warrant and...
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and certainly they are left to deny and support the nsa themselves. they and clapper, the director of national intelligence, that is who is defending this major function that protects the united states and believe me, we would not have had no serious attack on the united states in all of these years, these 12 years since 9/11, without this agency doing just incredible work, lou, in protecting us. and yet they stand there having to take all these fuselage of assaults on them by themselves with the director trying to protect them. and it's just not right. the administration should put their arms around this, tell them to go back to work and we'll take care of this. but that's not happening. >> general, thanks for being with us. general jack keane. >> always good talking to you, lou. >>> up next, he was endorsed by tea party favorite senator rand pull, but will it be enough to overcome the political money machine? virginia's attorney general and gubernatorial candidate ken cuccinelli joins me here next. we're coming right back. did yow that if you wear a
and certainly they are left to deny and support the nsa themselves. they and clapper, the director of national intelligence, that is who is defending this major function that protects the united states and believe me, we would not have had no serious attack on the united states in all of these years, these 12 years since 9/11, without this agency doing just incredible work, lou, in protecting us. and yet they stand there having to take all these fuselage of assaults on them by themselves with...
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now he is ordering a full review of the nsa surveillance operations and the foreign relations fallout. here is more from our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. >> reporter: president obama would not confirm the nsa was spying on the phone calls of u.s. allies like germany's chancellor angela merkel. >> the national security operations generally have one purpose and that is to make sure that the american people are safe. i'm making a review to make sure what they are able to do doesn't necessarily mean what they should be doing. >> reporter: senior administration officials tell cnn president obama did not know about the nsa surveillance of merkel and other allies until earlier this year. when he found out he ordered a stop to some of the programs. the democratic chairman of the senate intelligence community dianne feinstein usually an ally of the white house says that is not good enough and wants a total review of all u.s. intelligence programs. here is one explanation former vice president cheney gave cnn's jake tapper. >> we are vulnerable as was shown on 9/11. you ne
now he is ordering a full review of the nsa surveillance operations and the foreign relations fallout. here is more from our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. >> reporter: president obama would not confirm the nsa was spying on the phone calls of u.s. allies like germany's chancellor angela merkel. >> the national security operations generally have one purpose and that is to make sure that the american people are safe. i'm making a review to make sure what they are...
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this is something the white house and nsa deny. "wall street journal" reports the president was only made aware of this last summer. conflicting at this point. neither answers is satisfying because either he didn't have enough oversight or he hasn't been entirely forthcoming. demands for more information. some of these things are so sensitive, he can't go into full detail. >> there's a review under way right now. we expect other potentially controversial details to emerge. >> no question. they a real worry now particularly for relationships sensitive intelligence sharing relationships with the u.s. we share intelligence with the germans, french and so on. these relationships in south asia, in the middle east, more difficult countries for which a revelation they're cooperating on a country like iran could be damaging for them and u.s. relationships with them. >> in germany, this is especially sensitive because of east germany and the way it was ruled during the communist era. this is such a sensitive issue for the chancellor angela
this is something the white house and nsa deny. "wall street journal" reports the president was only made aware of this last summer. conflicting at this point. neither answers is satisfying because either he didn't have enough oversight or he hasn't been entirely forthcoming. demands for more information. some of these things are so sensitive, he can't go into full detail. >> there's a review under way right now. we expect other potentially controversial details to emerge....
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>> the nsa uses different techniques. one of the main techniques that it uses as to her spiegel reported is through a consulate in berlin, the nsa since people who pretend to be the elements are there to engage in mass surveillance on the german population as well as target the individual cell phone calls a such ast politicians the chancellor. we did a similar report in of theon the targeting president, the same as happened in mexico were but the current and former mexican presidents were targeted with similar forms of surveillance. this is often done through the way people pretend to be diplomats stationed there for what pretends to be a consulate but really is and nsa outpost. inexploits its positioning the nation capital under diplomatic treaties to target the population and a leading democratically elected leaders with very invasive surveillance. itself, thesy placement, this massive embassy building the u.s. moved into in 2008? >> right. the der spiegel report is using a document that demonstrates that embassy is ess
>> the nsa uses different techniques. one of the main techniques that it uses as to her spiegel reported is through a consulate in berlin, the nsa since people who pretend to be the elements are there to engage in mass surveillance on the german population as well as target the individual cell phone calls a such ast politicians the chancellor. we did a similar report in of theon the targeting president, the same as happened in mexico were but the current and former mexican presidents were...
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. >> front page headline in the "wall street journal" president obama did not know about the nsa spying on our allies. also, last night on "60 minutes" mass confusion in libya was documented. tonight the factor will analyze both stories with brit hume. >> i think things have gotten so bad inside iraq from the standpoint the iraqi people my belief is we will in fact be greeted as liberators. >> former vice president dick cheney makes his first appearance in the no spin zone. we will talk to him about iraq, afghanistan, and how he came back from near death. >> pinhead or patriot? >> i like him. >> you like him. >> i like him. >> you don't know who the vice president of the united states is. >> no. but i know the president though. >> you should be proud. >> also up ahead watters world pinhead and patriots. >> that's a very seductive look. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. thanks for watching us tonight. i don't want to know. that is the subject of this eveningens talking points memo. as we reported last week there are at least half a dozen ma
. >> front page headline in the "wall street journal" president obama did not know about the nsa spying on our allies. also, last night on "60 minutes" mass confusion in libya was documented. tonight the factor will analyze both stories with brit hume. >> i think things have gotten so bad inside iraq from the standpoint the iraqi people my belief is we will in fact be greeted as liberators. >> former vice president dick cheney makes his first appearance in...
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allies because the nsa was spying on them. something the white house says president obama did not know about. aides say he's considering a ban on eavesdropping on allies. today there is a hearing on something else but clapper spoke about the broader surveillance program. >> what we do not is spy unlawfully on americans or spy indiscriminately on citizens of any country. we only spy for valid intelligence purposes with multiple layers of oversight to ensure we don't abuse our authorities. >> of the two the medical story or spying one, which will have a longer effect and why? we put that to howard fineman from the huffingupon post media group. i did want to put an explainer on the health care piece of this so people understand what's going on here. the reason that we have the minimum standards for obama care so people can't gain the system so that the thing that they have is actual health insurance and it covers a standard minimum of care is the idea behind it. nonetheless, republicans have certainly seized on this and people ar
allies because the nsa was spying on them. something the white house says president obama did not know about. aides say he's considering a ban on eavesdropping on allies. today there is a hearing on something else but clapper spoke about the broader surveillance program. >> what we do not is spy unlawfully on americans or spy indiscriminately on citizens of any country. we only spy for valid intelligence purposes with multiple layers of oversight to ensure we don't abuse our authorities....
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first and foremost, i've had eight-plus years at nsa. they are among the finest people in this country. what they do every day for this nation is unheralded. we don't get a lot of fanfare out of it, but it's absolutely superb. saturday i had the opportunity to work, again, which we have done every weekend since i've been there, to support our troops in afghanistan who are under threat of an attack. we do that all the time. our people were in there supporting our troops, supporting the military operations. and in eight-plus years, not one person has ever come up to me and said, i have to work tonight or the weekend. they always come in. they protect our troops, and they protect this country. they've taken an oath to defend the nation and to protect our civil liberties and privacy. and they do that better than anyone i have ever seen. it is a privilege and honor to work next to them every day. what i want to tell you about is how did we get here, talk about the business record fisa, and i want to give you insights to what we see going on w
first and foremost, i've had eight-plus years at nsa. they are among the finest people in this country. what they do every day for this nation is unheralded. we don't get a lot of fanfare out of it, but it's absolutely superb. saturday i had the opportunity to work, again, which we have done every weekend since i've been there, to support our troops in afghanistan who are under threat of an attack. we do that all the time. our people were in there supporting our troops, supporting the military...
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they reports the nsa has been eavesdropping on as many as 35 world leaders. a newspaper says the nsa listened in on german chancellor angela merkel's phone calls as far back as 2002. there's divide reaction in congress. >> repair work to do. hard questions need to ask of the nsa about what's really happening in this program. >> the president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. the reality is the nsa has saved thousands of lives, not just the united states, also france, germany, throughout europe. >> reporter: "the wall street journal" said the eavesdropping ended after a white house review uncovered the operation this past summer. >>> new this morning, a 71-year- old man headed for los angeles is being held in canada. after montreal airport security found parts of a specially explosive device in his carry-on luggage. the man detained, hasn't been charged. everyone questioned, flight operations were temporarily disrupted. police also blocked off an area as they searched an apartment. >>> it was an adult-care home, but without the care. the search is
they reports the nsa has been eavesdropping on as many as 35 world leaders. a newspaper says the nsa listened in on german chancellor angela merkel's phone calls as far back as 2002. there's divide reaction in congress. >> repair work to do. hard questions need to ask of the nsa about what's really happening in this program. >> the president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. the reality is the nsa has saved thousands of lives, not just the united states, also france,...
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nsa story. it wasn't too long ago we were talking about the government shutdown, how awful that was for the republican party, certainly how awful it was for a lot of people who found themselves without paychecks and a lot of services. but certainly the last two weeks have been a very big boom for the republican party and you've seen the obama administration and white house certainly on the defensive. >> with this -- for example, with the nsa, i don't know how it's necessarily a big boom for them because you do have rpz like peter king defending the administration and defending the president. there are not clear divided lines as we saw with the government shutdown and even early on with republicans who were hand in hand on fighting the health care law. >> tamron, let pe put it a different way. a lot of folks on capitol hill are all -- the more we talk about nsa and all of the glitches involved with the website and problems and flaws in the health care law, and you're for getting about the governm
nsa story. it wasn't too long ago we were talking about the government shutdown, how awful that was for the republican party, certainly how awful it was for a lot of people who found themselves without paychecks and a lot of services. but certainly the last two weeks have been a very big boom for the republican party and you've seen the obama administration and white house certainly on the defensive. >> with this -- for example, with the nsa, i don't know how it's necessarily a big boom...
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>> an nsa spokes woman said that take orders from the national intelligent priorities frame work and not the president. >> jon: what the [bleep] is this? [laughter] did we find out about it because of some kind of nipf slip? for more on the president, we go to jessica william. jessica! [cheers & applause] how can the president be unaware of what's going on around him? >> because nobody tells him, jon. you have to understand the president is a very sensitive man. he doesn't handle bad news well. he's a cryer. [laughter] >> jon: like a john boehner cryer? >> please, jon, the president is so emotional. the guy cries when people that litter told him to suck it up. >> jon: what else has the president not been told? >> well, basically all the bad stuff. he thinks gun control passed and that we shut down guantanamo three years ago. he thinks republicans will actually work with him. i know. i'm telling you, the president is in a bubble. >> jon: he's a bubble boy. >> yes. exactly. >> jon: why is it so important that president obama be kept in the dark about it? >> because they don't want to b
>> an nsa spokes woman said that take orders from the national intelligent priorities frame work and not the president. >> jon: what the [bleep] is this? [laughter] did we find out about it because of some kind of nipf slip? for more on the president, we go to jessica william. jessica! [cheers & applause] how can the president be unaware of what's going on around him? >> because nobody tells him, jon. you have to understand the president is a very sensitive man. he doesn't...
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washington guy, the nsa story. it's one of those things that you hear lawmakers will say, you know what, the public actually doesn't want to know a lot of this information. do you buy that? >> no. i think the public does want to know. >> what do they want to know? >> whether we're spying on our friends. you don't do that to friends. >> no justification of it? >> look, there are a lot of reasons that people might think that it's a good idea, but if you're going to have a relationship with a friend, you don't spy on your friends. you're going to also want to know did the president know about this, are they telling the truth. i think those are the things that people want to know. >> the objections we're hearing from capitol hill, i'm not sure it is them trying to respond to the media attention. we're shocked that this happened, made it look like they would not condone something like this and at the same time, they're privately going we understand that sources are -- >> well, you have to remember that congress tends to
washington guy, the nsa story. it's one of those things that you hear lawmakers will say, you know what, the public actually doesn't want to know a lot of this information. do you buy that? >> no. i think the public does want to know. >> what do they want to know? >> whether we're spying on our friends. you don't do that to friends. >> no justification of it? >> look, there are a lot of reasons that people might think that it's a good idea, but if you're going to...
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the nsa denies that the president was aware. also reports overseas, the u.s. embassy in berlin houses a secret listening post to spy on german government officials and business leaders. one of 80 such posts around the world. >> the suspicion in europe is that this is not really about counterterrorism. this is a lot more about industrial espionage. >> reporter: despite the backlash, many members of congress believe nsa data collection is an essential tool to combat terrorism. >> we've saved lives in germany. because of the intelligence we have given them. the fact is, there could be information transmitted that is useful to us and ultimately useful to germany. >> reporter: five u.s. allies have summoned the u.s. ambassadors in their countries to lodge a formal protest. germany and france want the u.s. to agree to limit the eavesdropping by the end of the year. diana? rob? >> tahman bradley live in washington, thank you. >>> meantime, in another major embarrassment for the obama administration, the troubled obama care website has rolled off the tracks yet again.
the nsa denies that the president was aware. also reports overseas, the u.s. embassy in berlin houses a secret listening post to spy on german government officials and business leaders. one of 80 such posts around the world. >> the suspicion in europe is that this is not really about counterterrorism. this is a lot more about industrial espionage. >> reporter: despite the backlash, many members of congress believe nsa data collection is an essential tool to combat terrorism....
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lou: new details about the massive spying organization, according to wash post, nsa secretly broke in main communication link that connection yahoo! and google data centers around the world, and italian media reports that place spelled on the vatican on pope benedict and pope francis. the nsa has just now issued an out right denial of the italian media report. >> unless you think that united states is alone in spying effort, russians are trying to keep up with us, russian operatives handing out goody bags to world leaders who attended september g-20 summit meeting they we giving them souvenir usbdrives, phone chargers and teddy bears they bugged, they bugged a teddy bear. the russians deny the italian media report. >> obama administration is now blocking congressional effort to further investigate the benghazi scandal, state department rejected requests to make available eyewitness survivors of the attack claiming that congressional inquiry would jeb jeopardize a criminal investigation of benghazi, several republicans today promises they would block any of president's nomination in se
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but particularly with nsa and health care as you point out, nsa situation obviously a huge domestic and foreign policy issue, health care is his signature achievement to this point in his presidency. you would think he would be more in the loop is a way of saying it than he has been. >> how much of this shock that's being expressed by the allies just simply to try to get some leverage with the u.s. because everyone knew this was going on and they do it to us and we do it to them. the world of spying. >> you have to express anger this is going on. if you suspected or knew it was going on. they can use it effectively for leverage. the question now is whether or not united states is going to enter into new nonspying agreements with countries they have long resisted entering these agreements with. so whether it's the french or germans, you know, they now have a good deal of leverage to try to negotiate these pacts if they so choose. it's quite possible one result is there will be more nonspying agreements with european allies than there were before. >> i would bet on germany and not on fran
but particularly with nsa and health care as you point out, nsa situation obviously a huge domestic and foreign policy issue, health care is his signature achievement to this point in his presidency. you would think he would be more in the loop is a way of saying it than he has been. >> how much of this shock that's being expressed by the allies just simply to try to get some leverage with the u.s. because everyone knew this was going on and they do it to us and we do it to them. the...
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calls in those countries them nsa director confirmed the report in the "wall street journal" that it was actually french and spanish intelligence agencies that did the surveillance and passed it on to the nsa. >> we need to look at and make sure that we are not just gathering intelligence because we can but gathering it because we need it. >> the intelligence officials told congress yesterday allies spy on each other. it's part of the business. but the damage from these weeks has been done. john and diana. >> karen travers, thank you. >>> just across the potomac at arlington national cemetery there was a solemn ceremony. the eternal flame at kennedy's gravesite was reignited. new gas lines were installed. the anniversary of kennedy's assassination is three weeks away. >>> "wall street journal" reports blackberry executives met with those of facebook last week to gauge the social network's interest in a bid for the struggling smartphone maker. they say it is unclear if facebook is interested. the meeting could spark speculation about facebook starting its own cell phone and that is so
calls in those countries them nsa director confirmed the report in the "wall street journal" that it was actually french and spanish intelligence agencies that did the surveillance and passed it on to the nsa. >> we need to look at and make sure that we are not just gathering intelligence because we can but gathering it because we need it. >> the intelligence officials told congress yesterday allies spy on each other. it's part of the business. but the damage from these...
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was the nsa, indeed, doing this without letting people know? and that's a big question to me. >> one of the things we were talking about is how remarkable it would be that edward snowden might have known about this and barack obama didn't. then the other thing that strikes me is, you know, obviously i under that these programs are very controversial but the amount of controversy over this program is a little bit higher it seems than when we found out they were collecting bulk data on regular citizens. diane feinstein the chairman of the senate intelligence committee is outraged over this disclosure but fine with the other ones. >> what's worse to express, mike barnacle, that i think it's many world leaders that have this happen to them not just angela merkel and i wonder if that should have come out or if that creates more of a firestorm. but, again, it's not george w. bush sitting there with his head phones on listening to angela merkel's conversations, or president obama, it's very different. mike? >> but, mike, if the president knows, if he'
was the nsa, indeed, doing this without letting people know? and that's a big question to me. >> one of the things we were talking about is how remarkable it would be that edward snowden might have known about this and barack obama didn't. then the other thing that strikes me is, you know, obviously i under that these programs are very controversial but the amount of controversy over this program is a little bit higher it seems than when we found out they were collecting bulk data on...
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the head of the nsa is making no apologies for spying on allied leaders. general keith alexander told the house committee, house intelligence committee what the security agency does is legal and helps defend the nation. alexander said he would rather take a public beating than stop a program that presents a terrorist attack. >>> it has been five months since the world first came to know edwards snowden and a lot has changed since then, especially for the people who helped leak the information. jonathan betz has a look at that story. >> it's a global story that began in the summer with edward snowden. he is now in asylum in russia but the scandal keeps unfolding because he reported handed over almost all of his secrets to two journalists, greenwald who is based in brazil. he keeps breaking stories printed in papers all over the world, usually until countries where they will make the biggest splash. greenwald works as a columnist for the guardian. on thursday, he is leaving that british paper to help start a new journalistic venture funded by the founder of
the head of the nsa is making no apologies for spying on allied leaders. general keith alexander told the house committee, house intelligence committee what the security agency does is legal and helps defend the nation. alexander said he would rather take a public beating than stop a program that presents a terrorist attack. >>> it has been five months since the world first came to know edwards snowden and a lot has changed since then, especially for the people who helped leak the...
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the nsa situation has been happening over a very long time. the website issues happened over a much shorter period of time when they were rolling it out. the government was shut down. the president was distracted by the idea of trying not to let the country go into default. >> ah. >> there is no ah, come on, ross. >> sorry. >> but they're kind of separate things. i think you're right. you take your lumps, because they do happen at the same time. and people will draw a straight line between the two even if i don't think that they should. >> does it raise the broader question, though, charles, that the president is out of touch? >> that is what i was trying to get at. i just don't get that sense, but i do believe that whenever there is something that could be embarrassing, you know, your underlings have a responsibility to make sure you're covered and to make sure you understand things are happening and that you're in the loop. that is a problem in these particular cases, there is no getting around that. it is an embarrassment. they happened to
the nsa situation has been happening over a very long time. the website issues happened over a much shorter period of time when they were rolling it out. the government was shut down. the president was distracted by the idea of trying not to let the country go into default. >> ah. >> there is no ah, come on, ross. >> sorry. >> but they're kind of separate things. i think you're right. you take your lumps, because they do happen at the same time. and people will draw a...
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to nsa partners. to be perfectly clear, this is not information we collect it on european citizens. it represents information that collected nato allies in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. i understand you correctly, this information was collected external to the country of which it was reported in defense of operations in which nato participates. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> as you study the networks of aboutrld -- let's talk the european union for a second, if i may. is it possible for chinese intelligence services to use networks you would find in any nation in the european union? >> absolutely. >> how about russian intelligence services? networksy use european inside the european union? >> yes. >> how about al qaeda? could they use networks found in the european union to plan execution of operations? >> they could absolutely. it be in the purview of the national security agency to try to prevent those activities if it was targeted at the united states or o
to nsa partners. to be perfectly clear, this is not information we collect it on european citizens. it represents information that collected nato allies in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. i understand you correctly, this information was collected external to the country of which it was reported in defense of operations in which nato participates. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> as you study the networks of aboutrld -- let's talk the european...
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one key fact we need to keep in mind is that nsa's focus is on foreign threats under fisa nsa does not target target americans in the u.s. and does not target americans anywhere else without a court order. they are to fisa authorities that have been highlighted in the the press prefers the business records provision known as section 215 which allows the government to legally correct what is called metadata a phone number and length of call, not content. no names, no commerce asians, no content. let me be clear. under 215 the nsa cannot listen to anyone's phonecalls. what section 215 does is allow the government to connect the dots. these dots could have been connected to prevent 9/11 and are necessary to prevent the next attack. we could have determined one of the 9/11 attackers for hijackers was in san diego and made a call to an al qaeda number in yemen. i shudder to think what connections will be missed if the program were completely eliminated. keep in mind law enforcement obtains and analyzes these types of records every day to stop organized crime and keep drugs out. we don't wan
one key fact we need to keep in mind is that nsa's focus is on foreign threats under fisa nsa does not target target americans in the u.s. and does not target americans anywhere else without a court order. they are to fisa authorities that have been highlighted in the the press prefers the business records provision known as section 215 which allows the government to legally correct what is called metadata a phone number and length of call, not content. no names, no commerce asians, no content....